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An Inconvenient Conciliar Truth – Part 06

September 9, 2008

An Inconvenient Conciliar Truth – Part 06

Some folks seem to find relying on councils a comfort. For these folks, there are some inconvenient facts that they must face. This post is the sixth in what has become a multi-part series.

Council of the Vatican I (began December 8, 1869) – Contradicts Earlier Ecumenical Council

Vatican I declared (in Chapter 3. On the power and character of the primacy of the Roman pontiff):

8. Since the Roman pontiff, by the divine right of the apostolic primacy, governs the whole church, we likewise teach and declare that
– he is the supreme judge of the faithful, and that
– in all cases which fall under ecclesiastical jurisdiction recourse may be had to his judgment.
– The sentence of the apostolic see (than which there is no higher authority) is not subject to revision by anyone,
– nor may anyone lawfully pass judgment thereupon. And so
– they stray from the genuine path of truth who maintain that it is lawful to appeal from the judgments of the Roman pontiffs to an ecumenical council as if this were an authority superior to the Roman pontiff.

The teaching of the council of Constance (which was the mechanism for resolving the problem of multiple competing popes) is directly contrary to this teaching of the Council of the Vatican (I), as we saw in part 05 of this series.

The fact that council of Constance declared “that everyone of whatever state or dignity, even papal, is bound to obey [an ecumenical council] in those matters which pertain to the faith,” whereas Vatican I declared “they stray from the genuine path of truth who maintain that it is lawful to appeal from the judgments of the Roman pontiffs to an ecumenical council as if this were an authority superior to the Roman pontiff,” demonstrates that – in fact – ecumenical councils do err (assuming, for now, that both Constance and Vatican I are ecumenical councils).

Usual modern advocates of Catholicism identify Constance as the 16th Ecumenical council and Vatican I as the 20th Ecumenical council.

-TurretinFan

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An Inconvenient Conciliar Truth – Part 05

September 8, 2008

An Inconvenient Conciliar Truth – Part 05

Some folks seem to find relying on councils a comfort. For these folks, there are some inconvenient facts that they must face. This post is the fifth in what, Lord willing, will be a multi-part series.

Council of Constance (1414-18?) – Councils have Higher Authority than Roman Bishop

Speaking about itself, the Council Constance declared that it was:

“legitimately assembled in the holy Spirit, constituting a general council and representing the Catholic church militant, it has power immediately from Christ; and that everyone of whatever state or dignity, even papal, is bound to obey it in those matters which pertain to the faith, the eradication of the said schism and the general reform of the said church of God in head and members.”

This may be acceptable to my friends who are Eastern Orthodox (who, nevertheless, would not consider Constance to be an ecumenical council), but it is less than fully pleasing to those who view the pope as the earthly authoritative head of the church. For them, this conciliar statement is inconvenient.

-TurretinFan


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