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Responding to Churchfellaway

June 16, 2008

Churchfellaway (CFA) has provided a video responding to Dr. White’s response to a Muslim fellow. (link) CFA begins badly, having to ensure the audience that he is not defending the Muslim.

He wants to respond to the fact that Thomas called Jesus “God.” His first argument is that Thomas didn’t speak English (ok …) and didn’t speak Greek (how in the world does he conclude that? he does not say). He claims Thomas never would have said “theos.”

As reported by the Apostle John, however, that’s just what Thomas said:

John 20:28 και απεκριθη ο θωμας και ειπεν αυτω ο κυριος μου και ο θεος μου

θεος = Theos = God

He claims that he calls Jesus “Elohim.”

He says we know that it was translated from Elohim, because we see Jesus making a reference in John 10 where Jesus is accused of making himself God. Jesus responds by quoting Psalm 82:6 to them, which states: “I have said, ye are gods …” the word being used in the Hebrew original of Psalm 82 being Elohim.

It’s a little irritating for him to keep calling Psalm 82, “Psalms 82.”

There’s an obvious problem with his argument: John 10 is not the context of John 20:28, and there’s no real reason to suppose that Thomas spoke these words to Jesus in anything other than Greek.

Furthermore, there is an underlying problem with CFA’s view of the significance of Jesus’ reference to Psalm 82:6. Jesus was not suggesting that he was merely a Psalm 82:6 Elohim: merely a judge or ruler. Instead, he was convicting them using Scripture. They could not answer him. He started from Psalm 82:6, and said if it was lawful to use the name of God to describe the judges ordained by God, how much more lawful it was for Jesus who was sent into this world by the Father to use that title. Psalm 82:6 was provided for contrast, not for explanation of his own title.

In fact, CFA is so bold as to call this an “English and Greek farce.” Of course, CFA has no good reason to suppose that the gospel of John was originally written in some other language than Greek. Greek fragments of the Gospel of John are among the earliest fragments of the New Testament in our possession. By calling John’s account a “farce,” CFA is actually opposing not Dr. White, but Scripture.


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